bill clinton tried the approach i'm talking about. we created 23 million new jobs, we went from deficit to surplus, and businesses did very well. so in some ways we've got some data on which approach is more likely to create jobs and opportunity for americans, and i believe that the economy works best when middle class families are getting tax breaks so they've got money in their pockets, and those of us who have done extraordinarily well because of this magnificent country that we live in, that we can afford to do a little more to make sure we're not blowing up the deficit. >> jim, the president began this segment so i think i get the last word. >> you'll get the first word in the next segment. >> he gets the first word in this segment, i get the last word i hope. >> that's okay. >> let me repeat what i said, i'm not in favor of a $5 trillion tax cut. that's not my plan. i'm not putting in place any tax cut that will add to the deficit. that's point one. you can keep referring to a $5 trillion tax cut, but that's not my plan. >> okay